One
Way
To
Consider
Employee
TurnoverAs
an
Operations
Manager,
I was
trained
that
turnover
meant
someone
did
not
do
their
job
properly
for
one
of
several
reasons.
For
the
most
part,
employees
do
want
to
work.
But,
...
they
need
training,
supervision,
correction,
encouragement
and
treated
like
a
human
being
so
they
can
work
effectively
and
appropriately.
Again,
for
the
most
part.
Therefore,
if
there
is
turnover,
someone
did
not
do
their
job.
Either
the
hiring
manager
and/or
supervisor
did
not
have
the
proper
job
description
for
the
position,
the
proper
standard
of
performance
for
the
position,
the
proper
interviewing
and
screening
of
the
applicant,
the
proper
training
of
the
new
employee,
the
proper
follow
up
and
supervision
and
correction
or
re-training
of
the
employee
...
or
...
the
applicant
lied
somewhere
in
the
process,
did
not
do
their
job
in
attempting
to
learn
the
position
as
they
should
have,
did
not
put
their
all
into
the
position
as
was
expected,
did
not
have
the
correct
perspective
on
themselves
up
front
for
what
they
were
looking
for
in
the
particular
job
in
question.
In
other
words,
turnover
is
because
either
the
manager
/
supervisor
or
the
employee
failed
in
their
job.
One
or
the
other.
Maybe
a
combination.
Most
of
the
time,
it is
usually
the
manager
/
supervisor.
Having
said
that,
there
is
one
more
valid
reason
for
turnover.
The
employee
grew
in
the
position
beyond
what
the
position
entailed
and
merited
being
elevated
in
position
to
the
next
higher
level,
whether
with
the
same
company
or
another
company.
That
should
be
mutually
understood
and
agreed
between
the
company
and
the
employee
as a
natural
progression
of
talents.
That
is
the
way I
was
trained
to
think.
I
still
do.
Hence,
it
was
my
job
to
consider
each
position
seriously
and
each
person
that
filled
that
position
seriously
as if
they
were
a
family
member.
A
family
member
of
the
company
I
belonged
to
and
they
should
be
treated
as
such.
AND,
then,
to
take
care
of
all
family
members
as
they
need
to be
taken
care
of.
I
reduced
the
turnover
rate
down
from
every
30 to
45
days
when
I
took
over
that
Operations
Manager's
position
to
well
over
a
year
with
minimum
wage
employees,
including
supervisors
and
managers
my
first
year
in
that
position.
It
is
all
in
the
attitude.
The
attitude
of
the
manager
or
supervisor.
Not
the
employee.
Who
is
the
leader?
Who
is in
charge?
It
should
be
government
from
the
top
down.
Any
other
way,
won't
work.
Therefore,
the
leader
is
the
one
that
carries
the
responsibility
of
everything
that
happens
in
their
department.
Including
turnover.
Turnover
usually
indicates
there
is a
manager
problem.
Not
an
employee
problem.
And
turnover
is
costing
the
company
big
time.
Employee
Turn
Over
- do
YOU
know
how
much
it
costs
the
company
for
employee
turnover?
Quick
question
-
Have
you
calculated
how
much
it
costs
to
hire
and
train
a new
employee?
What
is
that
figure?
Do
you
know?
Each
department
may
be
different
so
this
should
be
calculated
per
department
and
even
each
position
in a
department
throughout
the
organization.
Have
you
ever
done
this
calculation?
You
really
should.
Generally,
it is
more
than
most
managers
and
employees
think.
When
you
add
in
the
costs
of
mistakes
due
to
inexperience,
it
really
mounts
up.
Also
add
in the
costs
of
lost
upgrades
of
business
and
lost
additional
sales
for
not
knowing
how
to
SEE
them,
never
mind
capture
them.
When
one
looks
at
the
big
picture,
the
costs
of
turnover
can
be
staggering.
And
there
are
reasons
for
that.
Do
YOU
know
all
the
factors
involved?
Do
you
then
know
what
the
figure
is
for
your
industry
or
for
the
position
in
question
so
you
can
compare
your
turnover
with
the
industry?
From
experience,
I
suggest
your
turnover
rate is
too
high
AND I
believe
it can
be
reduced.
These
high
ratios
should
shout
out
there
is a
problem
that
needs
to be
addressed
and
corrected. And
fast.
What
To
Consider
But,
the
first
step
in
correcting
the
problem,
is
seeing
that
turnover
is a
problem
in
the
first
place.
Any
turnover.
To
me,
when
there
is
turnover,
any
turnover,
someone
failed
somewhere
along
the
way.
Either
in
the
hiring
and
the
hiring
process,
the
training,
or
the
follow
up,
the
constant
up
grading
and
tweaking
or
the
human
relations
interaction
with
the
person
doing
the
work.
There
may
be
other
factors
as
well
in
this
simple
expose.
The
person
hired
may
be
part
of
the
problem
in
the
turnover
equation
as
well
carrying
lots
of
baggage
with
them.
I
suggest,
why
not
think
and
consider
that
... IF
...
the
right
people
were
hired
right
to
begin
with
from
both
sides
of
the
perspective,
trained
appropriately
for
that
position
and
person,
taken
care
of
throughout
the
time
they
are
with
you,
then
why
would
they
leave? Simple
question
yet,
requires
a
profound
answer,
wouldn't
you
agree?
The
analogy
comes
to
mind
that
when
a
child
is
used
to
train
infants,
then
the
trained
infants
will
never
have
learned
a
higher
level
than
the
child
who
did
the
training.
In
this
case
the emphasis
is on
a
child.
The
infant
would
not
learn
high
school
or
college
or
graduate
school
material.
Just
won't
happen.
They
will
learn
only
to
the
level
of
the
teacher
and
if a
child,
then
a
child's
level.
Which
means
it is
important
to
consider
who
does
the
training.
What
is
their,
the
trainer's,
level
of
expertise,
their
level
of
maturity,
their
level
of
thinking
capacity,
of
problem
solving,
of
building
in
flexibility
and
of
self
motivation,
of
vision?
Vision
is
extremely
important,
actually
-
key, for
the
bigger
picture.
As
the
Good
Book
says,
without
vision,
people
perish.
They
won't
last.
How
To
Find
The
Cost
Of
Training
Simple
formula
- add
up
the
various
costs
associated
with
training.
Simple,
yet,
complex.
First,
consider
the
whole
hiring
routine.
What
does
it
cost
to
hire
someone?
The
out
of
pocket
initial
costs
as
well
as
the
in-direct
costs.
In
other
words,
add
in
not
only
the
cost
of
placing
various
ads
or
search
announcements
in
various
media,
but
also
the
costs
of
all the
individuals'
time
involved
in
the
whole
hiring
process
AND
the
lost
time
they
would
normally
spend
doing
other
activities.
This
is
huge
or
should
be
huge.
Next,
consider
the
interviewing
process
-
before,
during
and
after.
Who
is
involved
with
responding
to
potential
applicants
and
that
whole
process?
Again,
take
into
consideration
the
direct
and
indirect
costs
of
time,
costs
of
application
materials,
physical
space,
preparing
for
the
initial
application
process
AND
the
overall
image
-
good
or
bad -
of
the
company
requiring
a
position
to be
filled
at
each
stage
of
the
hiring
process.
Then,
consider
the
interviewing
process
itself.
Who
is
involved
and
how?;
how
will
the
interviewing
process
take
place?;
how
much
time
will
be
needed
before,
during
or
after
the
actual
interview?;
consider
the
various
materials
needed
and
the
various
laws
in
regard
to
the
whole
hiring
process;
the
physical
space
required
for
the
interview;
the
image
of
the
company
in
the
interview
process;
and
remember
the
time
away
from
other
activities'
value.
Then
add
in
time
to
get
the
mental
mind
back
in
focus
to
the
other
activities
that
need
to be
dealt
with after
the
interviewing
process.
More
Than
Initially
Meets
The
Mind
This
all
this so
far,
is
before
the
first
interaction
of
the
interview
has
begun
to be
taken
place.
Never
mind
having
taken
place.
Does
it
boggle
the
mind
how
much
your
turnover
really
costs
YOU
or
YOUR
company?
Add
in
the various
costs
of
the
actual
interview,
again,
direct
and
indirect.
Are
there
any
tests
to
take
place
that
may
also
may
need
to be
evaluated
and
reviewed?
What
about
the
various
verifications
that
may
need
to be
done,
especially
in
this
day
and
age
of
lying,
half-truths
and
outright
deceptions
galore?
Then,
consider
the
evaluation
process
and
the
actual
offer
making
and
negotiating.
Again,
this
is
all
before
a new
person
is
hired
and
begins.
Once
someone
is
hired
and
begins,
consider
the
costs
associated
with
the
initial
paperwork
trail
to
cover
all
federal,
state,
local
authorities'
demands.
Oh,
yah,
don't
forget
your
own
needs
to
cover
YOUR
bases
should
something
go
wrong
later
on
and
the
attorneys
need
to
enter
the
picture.
Once
all
that
has
been
done,
consider
the
actual
training.
How
long
will
it
take
- a
week?
two
weeks?
30
days?
3
months?
6
months?
2 or
more
years?
I
contend,
most
training
takes
at
least
30
days
ONCE
HIRED
AND
BEGUN
just
to be
knowledgeable
enough
to do
certain
entry-level
positions.
Usually,
a lot
more
before
most
of
the
mistakes
have
been
eliminated
and
they
start
to
really
get
into
their
position.
For
managers,
it
usually
takes
6
months
to a
full
year
and
higher
amounts
the
higher
up
the
ladder
one
goes.
What
are
those
costs?
Do
you
know?
Not
only
the
out
of
pocket
salary
or
wages,
but
calculate
all
of
the
various
benefits
and
perks
associated
with
them
and
the
new
employee.
Add
in
the
cost
of
mistakes
they
make
and a
facture
for
lost
upgraded
business
and
lost
business
they
cost
the
company.
Keep
adding
in
the
negative
reputation
they
cost
the
company
for
their
lack
of
experience
with
the
company
that
is
extra
from
mistakes,
from
lack
of
upgrades,
from
lack
of
extra
business.
This
really
may
be
huge
in
and
by
itself.
Now,
what
does
it
cost
for
the
training
itself
and
how
will
that
be
done
and
by
whom
or
multiple
whoms?
Remember,
out
of
pocket
materials
expenses
as
well
as
all
the
labor
involved,
the
physical
space
and
equipment
that
could
be
used
for
something
else
or
not
needed
at
all
and a
myriad
of
other
incidentals
associated
with
the
training
process.
Now,
add
in
something
no
one
wants
to
think
about.
The
fact
most
employees
will
leave
the
company
at
some
point.
What
are
those
costs?
These
are
part
of
the
entire
hiring
process
costs
-
again,
direct
and
indirect
costs.
What
does
it
cost
to
terminate
someone?
Is it
different
whether
voluntary
or
involuntary
and
who
does
the
termination
-
company
or
individual?
This
assumes
you
can
start
training
the
new
person
quickly.
What
happens
when
the
"new
person"
isn't
hired
as
quickly
as
you'd
like?
What
if
that
vacancy
position
lingers
awhile
longer
than
you
anticipated?
What
could
be
the
additional
costs
for
doing
that?
Direct
as
well
as
indirect?
Do
YOU
See
The
Costs
Yet?
You
have
begun
to
get
the
picture
to
calculate
the
TOTAL
costs
to
determine
the
total
DRAIN
to
the
bottom
profit
line
of
the
company.
Total
up
all
the
above
costs
and
what
is
that
figure?
That
is
YOUR
cost
of
training
a new
person.
Ratios
Now
consider
what
it
would
cost
to
train
the
trainer
to be
raised
from
a
child,
as
mentioned
above,
to a
high
school
or
college
or
post-grad
type
level.
And,
how
long
would
it
take
to
train
them?
Let's
say,
it
may
take
$2000
out
of
pocket
expenses
plus
wages,
benefits
and
other
perks
just
to
get
someone
to
the
knowledgeable
profitable-to-the-company
level
to
begin
training
a new
person.
Now,
take
all
those
costs
of
the
trainer
and
divide
that
by
the
Total
Hiring,
Selecting,
Training
cost
of a
new
person.
What
is
that
ratio?
Compare
the
two.
What
do
you
see?
Don't
you
see
the
cost
of
what
NOT
training
the
trainer
costs
the
company?
This
comes
directly
off
the
bottom
line,
doesn't
it?
Bottom
Line
Notice,
that
employee
turnover
is
expensive
AND
needless.
It
doesn't
have
to
be.
That
IS, I
contend, a
dramatic
sign
something
is
wrong.
Something
major.
Someone
doesn't
know
something.
They
just
don't
know
what
they
don't
know
and
therefore
make
very
common
mistakes
not
knowing
what
they
were
never
taught
for
whatever
reason.
They
need
what AGS
Life
Academy
teaches
- the
first
step
in
learning
is to
learn
they
need
to
learn.
Actually,
learning
is an
on-going
item
throughout
life.
Employee
turnover
teaches
blatantly
or
should,
someone
needs
urgent
training.
That
someone
needing
urgent
training
is
NOT
the
new
employee.
Actually,
it
could
be
several
individuals.
It
starts
at
the
top
of
the
organization.
The
owner
of
the
company
to
allow
employee
turnover
to
exist
in
the
first
place
needs
to be
taught
things.
Those
leading
up to
the
hiring
interviewer
who does
the
screening
needs
to be
taught
some
things.
The
manager
that
says
hire
this
person
needs
to be
taught
things.
The
training
person
that
does
the
training
needs
to be
taught
things.
Those
who
follow
up
after
someone
is
hired,
trained
and
monitored
and
several
more
possibly
in
the
process
all
need
additional
training.
Then,
one
really
should
ask
the
question,
"How
fast
can
we
ALL get
those
at
the
top
levels
of
the
organization
trained
to
look
at
employee
turnover
differently?"
Then,
how
fast
can
we
get
ALL the
others
under
that
"leader"
trained? A
different
mindset
is
needed
throughout
the
organization.
It is
called
constant
training
&
re-training.
Or,
as
the
former
owner
of a
company
told
me
within
30
days
of
making
me
Operations
Manager,
"Gary,
you
WILL take
the
Dale
Carnegie
12 to
14
week
Human
Relations
course
or
you're
fired." That
was
blunt.
It
worked
though.
I
became
a
deeper
life-long
student
of
learning
in
the
process.
This
Academy
is
the
result
decades
later
of
that
and
other
encouragements.
With
a
simple
purpose
- to
teach
others
some
of
what
I've
learned.
The
Street
Smarts
of
decades.
What
works
and
the
difference
with
what
does
not.
AND,
to
discern
that
difference
for
the
self.
We
found
at
that
former
company,
that
the initial
expensive
investment
for
the
course
was
paid
for
in
the
first
week.
The
very
first
week.
(I've
seen
this
happen
numerous
times
since
for
other
people
in
other
organizations
as
well.)
Everything
after
that
first
week was
extra
profits.
Huge
profits.
That
course,
I
believe,
helped
lead
my
former
company
to doubling
the
size
of
the
company,
not
once,
but
twice
in two years.
One
program
did
it.
It
turned
my
life
around
substantially.
What
can
training
the
leadership
and
the trainer
do
for
YOUR
company?
I
contend
that
you
have
a
choice
-
either
pay
slowly
and
continuously
the
larger
amount
...
or
...
pay a
bunch
and a
known
amount
up
front
and
reap
the
benefits
quickly
over
time.
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